6 thoughts on “Crested Honey Buzzard ID issues

  1. Jonathan Meyrvav

    Hi all,
    To me this is a dark male Eurasian HB, not a Crested. From my experience with this species in Israel and elswhere dark morph male apivorus can show a pronounced tail pattern reminicent of CHB. The bird shows a slightly strong but still within variation of male apivorus. More obvious are the 5 primaries, asult orientalis would show the famous sixth primary. More feature supporting apivorus are the slender build and rather narrow wings.
    Good birding
    Jonathan Meyrav

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    1. JanJ

      Correct me if I’m wrong but there seems to be a primary missing in both wings. If it’s p5 (counted outwards in), I’m not sure but that seems t be the way since the tip of the “hand” looks odd, or what…

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  2. Johnny Mac

    Yes nice images from Bob Martin and undoubtedly it appears that both HB and CHB winter in Oman.
    The tail pattern was striking in the field but the photos only show five primaries and overall a weaker and narrower winged bird compared to CHB which we saw at nearby Barka and in the south at Salalah

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    1. Johnny Mac

      However I am still worried by the mix of features shown by this bird for example the isn’t the dark red iris a feature of CHB? Although this bird only shows five fingered primaries isn’t there one missing in both wings? Structurally it does look a better fit for HB and the pattern of barring on the primaries, closer to the carpal is a pro HB feature. The tail pattern was very striking in the field and this is backed up by the photos but appears to be intermediate between the two.

      Is this bird actually one of the (many) apparent hybrids between HB and CHB?

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  3. linosabirding

    iris colour suddenly eliminate any pure apivorus. Dark subterminal bar variable in both species, with some well marked dark apivorus swowing wider bar and some least marked orientalis showing narrower band (but not the case for proximal bars ) ….
    wing formula is influenced here by missing p8, as it is growing or just dropped, while p10 and p9 are retained old…. so p5 (sixth fingered primary) is long enough and ok for orintalis. Instead, I see some odd barring on secondary and on primary, so hybrid population could indeed not be fully eliminated without genetics here I am afraid…. these hybrids are far commoner than believed in the past in western Caucasus in migration and therefore also in the westmost wintering grounds of orientalis

    ciao
    ac

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